honest-notes-from-children-71 John 14:11 -14 KJV

(11) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
(12)  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
(13)  And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
(14)  If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Theses are Jesus’s direct words according to John.  There’s not “he sometimes says no”  or anything else.  Jesus says if you ask him for something he will do it.  Reading further you’ll find it’s because the Father loves you because you keep his commandments.

So why didn’t Joyce get her puppy?

There aren’t many predictions that are in the Bible that are easy to test. Heck, I’d settle for it changing things in a statistically significant way.  I mean Jesus says he’ll do anything, you’d think it would be simple to find some measurable difference.

Well they have done exactly this.  They have had entire churches full of people praying for patients in a hospital with a control group and a double blind experiment.  So, how did God make out?  I mean to me this would clearly count as evidence there was a god if it worked.  But if it doesn’t work, then Jesus was clearly mistaken or a lier.  Either way it would mean he’s not what the Christians claim.  So let’s get on with it, what did the experiment say.

According to a large study, praying for sick strangers has absolutely no effect on their health. In fact, it found that patients who had undergone heart surgery and knew that people were praying for their recovery had more health complications as a result.


That’s right folks.  Jesus was wrong.  You can try to twist the result around however you want.  The line says what it says and there are similar lines a couple of other places.  There’s nothing there that would enable it to be taken any other way.  You can look at all the context you want.

There’s no measurable effect from praying at all.  In fact, the prayer group did a little worse than the control once they knew about it.  Oddly that’s come up in a couple of other experiments.  When people pray for you, you figure you must really be sick and it adds stress and more post operation complications.  The placebo effect can work both ways.

This is pretty easy to find other sources for.  If you like the Times a little better they covered it too: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?ex=1301461200&en=4acf338be4900000&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss




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adam_eve_lrg_prWe get asked this all the time.  It’s pretty simple really.  How can we not laugh at you?  It’s not like I really have a choice.  I can’t have a rational conversation about rather a snake might have talked once.  You’ve already proven to me that you can’t be rational if that’s your position.  I realize that trying to give you logical, reasoned arguments about this is going to fall on deaf ears.  How am I supposed to react?

I also can’t help but laugh.  You are being gullible in a way that is impossible for me to imagine.  It’s beyond the absurd.  So it’s profoundly funny.  I mean look at the picture….that’s exactly what the Bible is describing.  I can’t not laugh.

I fully admit I’m out to change people’s minds about religion.  I think it has consistently been one of the most destructive forces in the entire human experience.  It’s one of the bigger causes of fighting.  Look guys, fighting over who’s imaginary friend has a bigger penis isn’t something we want.  It has stood in the way of science every time science finds something in your holy book that’s wrong.  This has happened way more than it’s found you got something right.

So why don’t we try to make friends?  That’s how the religious recruit.  It’s their number one way to gain followers and we certainly are pushing you the other way by mocking you.  Make friends, give the person a sense of belonging, and just reel them into the group.  It totally works for them.  How come we think it’s best to be different?

Well, it’s because belonging to a group isn’t the point.  Notice what’s missing in the paragraph above?  It isn’t about the truth.  It’s about making the idea into something you want to be true.  You want it so that you be a part of the wonderful “Good News” and so that you get to live forever.  I’m not out for this.  I don’t want you to belong to a group.  I don’t want you to help recruit other atheists.  I won’t make money off your conversion.  There’s no control of your life or power in it for me.   What I want is for YOU TO THINK.   Think about the talking snake and how wrong the Bible is about how we got here.  Think about the unicorns and dragons knocking stars out of the sky.  Think about how it says the Earth has corners and sits on pillars.  Think about guys living inside a fish or getting weak over a haircut.

Like I said, I know you aren’t open to rational discussion because you aren’t acting rationally.  All I can really do is point and laugh.  Maybe, just maybe that will get you to wonder if it isn’t silly.  Maybe you will actually read the damn Bible for once and see how goofy it is.  Maybe you’ll snap out of it.  It’s all I can hope for.


JesusSo, a lot of other atheists are on this “Jesus wasn’t real.” kick.  I find it counter productive.

My answer is “probably.”  It is true that there aren’t any direct witnesses who wrote it down.  That doesn’t mean the answer is no.  It’s also true that there’s no hard evidence for him.  There were people around recording events in the area like Philo of Alexandria.  If there really was a Jew preaching to thousands and causing a stir at the Temple he would have noticed and recorded it.

The problem with the witnesses the Christians like to point to is pretty simple, they were all decades too late.

Josephus – Born 37 CE
Phlegon – Born about 80 CE
Tacitus – Born 56 CE
Pliny the Younger – Born 61 CE
Suetonious – Born about 69 CE
The Babylonian Talmud – 200CE
Lucian – Born 125 CE
Phlegon – 2nd century

It’s impossible to witness something that happened before you were born.  None of them even actually claim they saw Jesus, so it was pointless anyhow.  It just points out how desperate Christians are to find something that says they got anything right.

The problem with saying that Jesus wasn’t real should be pretty obvious however.  These guys weren’t witnesses for Jesus.  Heck, some of the references were probably hoaxes added in by Christians later.  But they are pretty good sources that there were Christians in the first century.  That’s close enough to say that there would have been people alive who would have known Jesus.  So to me, it’s pretty hard to believe that there wasn’t a real Jesus.  It’s a circumstantial case, but a damn good one.

Now I have no idea how close the story is.  That leaves enough room to say that almost nothing you read about happened.  Personally I doubt the entire crucifixion happened at all.  I don’t know that it didn’t, but the stories are all over the place so I suspect that it didn’t.

This whole line is just a senseless distraction.  I don’t see the point in bringing it up at all, even if you think this.  It’s not a sure winner.  It’s not something that’s easy to follow.  It isn’t something that is helpful at all.  But mostly, even guys like me think you are wrong.  It poisons your case.

The only reason  I might see to point it out is that this guy wasn’t impressive when he was alive.  It’s pretty obvious that some of the story isn’t accurate or it would have been noticed.  It does seem like this is just what you’d expect: A cult leader who’s fan club exaggerated things after his death and the whole thing got out of hand.

But I don’t even go there.  It’s too complicated for the religious to follow.


2 Chronicles 13:13-18 KJV
(13)  But Jeroboam caused an ambushment to come about behind them: so they were before Judah, and the ambushment was behind them.
(14)  And when Judah looked back, behold, the battle was before and behind: and they cried unto the LORD, and the priests sounded with the trumpets.
(15)  Then the men of Judah gave a shout: and as the men of Judah shouted, it came to pass, that God smote Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah.
(16)  And the children of Israel fled before Judah: and God delivered them into their hand.
(17)  And Abijah and his people slew them with a great slaughter: so there fell down slain of Israel five hundred thousand chosen men.
(18)  Thus the children of Israel were brought under at that time, and the children of Judah prevailed, because they relied upon the LORD God of their fathers

They are killing off half a million Israelites here.  These are the people God likes.

A half million….that about the same as a city the size of Fresno or Tucson.  That’s more than the US lost in World War two.  It ten times the casualties of Gettysburg and that took three days.  It’s not even believable with modern weapons, let along swords.

Seriously…the point of the story here is that God is a prick, lets his own people get slaughtered in impossible numbers, doesn’t really care.


What harm can religion do?  Well….it makes people do some really dumbass things.  I god-car-crashhave a great example here: http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140718/LOCAL07/307189988/1002/LOCAL

Here’s the best part of the article and it tells you all you really need to know

The car’s driver, 25-year-old Prionda C. Hill, told police she let go of the wheel shortly before the crash because “God told her he would take it from here,” according to the probable cause affidavit filed Thursday in Allen Superior Court.

No…she wasn’t drunk. There was some question about a Vicodin prescription, but that isn’t going to make you batshit insane like this.

Now here’s the thing, even you Christians see how asinine this is.  But why?  The Bible is filled with similar things and the person who lets God take over always wins.  So how come you don’t believe her?  God running someone over is nothing compared to Noah’s Flood.  Maybe the guy really deserved smiting and Ms. Hill was just in the right place and all she did was let God take over just like she said.

Is there anyone that can give me a reason you should believe that God told some guy he would stay super-human strong if he didn’t cut his hair, but you shouldn’t believe this nutcase?  Really…I want to know what you’d base that on.



SpankedWithSlideRule_NationalLampoonArtPosterBook1975Proverbs 23:13-14 KJV
(13)  Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
(14)  Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Study after study shows that this isn’t effective.  It encourages avoidance behavior but doesn’t do a thing to change the underlying behavior when the person doing the beating isn’t there.  You’d think an omnipotent God would know…

It is more than that of course.  It says it saves you from Hell.  Apparently God doesn’t care if you want to do the bad thing after all.  He would rather you be beaten into submission and have you not do it out of fear.


Deuteronomy 22:23-27 KJVCountry-road
(23) If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
(24) Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
(25) But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
(26) But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
(27) For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

So God’s position is that if you are raped and in town you ought to be able to scream loud enough that someone helps you out.  If you don’t then you and the guy who is rapeing you both get killed.

Nothing to add here.  At least if it happens in the middle of nowhere your safe.


Corvus corax/Common Raven1 Kings 17:1-6 KJV
(1) And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
(2) And the word of the LORD came unto him, saying,
(3) Get thee hence, and turn thee eastward, and hide thyself by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
(4) And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.
(5) So he went and did according unto the word of the LORD: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
(6) And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.

So the best way to get food to Elijah is to have ravens bring it.  Holy crap….

How many freakin’ birds would this take?  Let’s face it, there would have to be quite a few to bring a man enough food.

Can’t imagine it actually being edible when they get it to him.  Let’s face it, ravens aren’t the cleanest animal.  And can you imagine what the flesh they could pick up would be like?  Roadkill stew sounds great by comparison.

Where the hell did they get bread too?  I’m picturing a bunch of them standing around an oven with little bird aprons on.  Is that what this implies?

They went out of the way to tell this one.  Let’s face it, we weren’t really all that concerned over how these guys get fed.  I don’t get making up such a silly way for it to happen.


Jesus candlesticks 77frRevelation 1:12-17 KJV
(12)  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
(13)  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
(14)  His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
(15)  And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
(16)  And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
(17)  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

OK, I went for the cheap headline.  It does say Jesus wears a golden girdle and has feet that look like brass.  That and he has white wool hair and flames in his eyes and a sword in his mouth, but that wasn’t the real stupid part.

Well….it was the stupid part.  Don’t get me wrong.  Jesus was one screwed up looking dude if this is all right here.  They even had to leave out the sword in the picture.  I  couldn’t find one with it in.  There is one at the Brick Testament if you want to see it in Lego, but I really like the ones the retards who buy this stuff do.  It’s so much funnier when they are serious.

But the real asinine part is the bit about holding seven stars.

To even say that means you don’t have a clue what the hell those things in the sky are.  That’s damn sure not a god who created it.

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